On a cassette tape, Dr. DeYoung, an anti-geocentrist "Creationist" says that everybody should "understand that the Geocentric/Heliocentric controversy is completely separate from the Creation/Evolution controversy". (DeYoung and Selbrede debate)

Some reasons why this is the exact opposite of the Truth follow:

1) The Scope's Trial record shows clearly that Bryan's adversaries knew full well that Copernicanism and Darwinism were inseparable concepts. The comparison was "used to flog Bryan" several times and always to good effect for the evolutionists.1  (also: HERE)

2) All major encyclopedias and other historical references recognize the ineffably great impact the Copernican Revolution had on the course of history, the status of the Bible, and the direction of science. That revolution turned ALL knowledge upside down! (...Just as a counter-revolution against Copernicanism will turn ALL knowledge upside down again [or RIGHT-SIDE UP]!!) The main change caused by the Copernican Revolution was the acceptance of the belief that "science" had disproved the Bible. And, if the Bible could be wrong about the earth not moving, it could be wrong on other aspects of the creation, on Noah's Flood, the Virgin Birth, Heaven...anything!

Thus, the Copernican Revolution began a process of replacing the Bible with "science" as the new source of Absolute Truth. Religion, business, politics, science, art....Everything (HERE) had to begin forming a new philosophical basis as "science" began to dethrone the Bible with Copernican heliocentricity.

This new mindset was indisputably foundational for the success of Bible-denying Darwinian evolutionism that was the next thing the Devil was to send down the road, attired fetchingly again as "science". First the Physical "Sciences". Then the Life "Sciences"! Once understood, denial of the symbiotic connection inherent in this mindset can only be possible thru willful historical and spiritual blindness.  Such denial is often coupled with pleas that the focus has to be kept on evolution of plant and animal species and humankind on earth, again ignoring the claim of "science" that the universe has been evolving for 15 billion years and the accompanying claim the evolution of life forms have evolved all over the universe.

The fact is that the two evolutionary claims are fundamentally inseparable as agents of the evolutionary explanation for all that exists.  And equally fundamental and inescapable is the fact that making the earth rotate and orbit the sun was essential to all the rest of the success that both terrestrial and extraterrestrial evolutionism have achieved...that indeed none of this success was possible without acceptance of the factless assumptions upon which Copernicanism is based (HERE).

This is a blindness that can no longer be dismissed with a shrug amongst undeviating Bible Creationists today. It is a blindness that is the root of all modern Bible -bashing. Christians cannot continue to disregard and minimize this fact and be indifferent toward it. Satan has been allowed to trick even the very Elect on this one...and now God is calling His Own to take back that which was stolen....

3) Kepler, Galileo, and Newton--called "giants" who refuted Biblical geocentrism on the tape--were giants all right! They never refuted anything except the Bible! It is a demonstrable lie to say they proved Biblical Geocentrism wrong! They did no such thing, nor has anyone else. But, in a spiritual sense, they are still giants, to be sure. They are the "giants in the land" that today's Joshuas and Calebs amongst honest folk everywhere are called by God to expose, knock off their pedestals, and drive out of the land which they helped fortify against Bible Absolutism!

4) Take Kepler, of whom it is said:"...the question of life's origin on earth fascinated Kepler.2 And: "adaptation of species...seemed as logical to Kepler as it did to Charles Darwin over two centuries later when Darwin began to put together his theory of evolution."3 Not only do we see here a clear and remarkably early connection of heliocentrism and evolutionism in the mind of this "giant" of the Copernican movement, we can see further along that he was the secret and unheralded father of the fatuous excesses of gravitation theory 50 years before the credit went to Newton (another "giant" who mutilated Scripture and invented special "mathematics" to achieve his ends). More, it is well established that Kepler believed there were evolved life forms on the moon.4 How is it then that this precocious EVOLUTIONIST is acclaimed by Creationists today as a great man of God?!

Indeed, who is this Copernican-evolutionist Kepler Dude (that ICR now lionizes with a book, and Dr. DeYoung calls a "giant" who helped slay geocentrism)??

Well, Kepler's lineage and career are certainly of interest to any serious Truth lover. Note these factual tidbits:

---His grandmother was raised by a "kinswoman who had been executed for witchcraft"5

---His mother had forty-nine counts of witchcraft officially brought against her. (Some of these were doosies!) 6 Read: THE EARTH IS NOT MOVING for details....

---In January, 1616, officials in Wurttenberg charged Johannes Kepler himself with practicing "forbidden arts", i.e., witchcraft. 7

---Kepler studied for the Lutheran Clergy, but was always wrangling with the church authorities and was never allowed to have a pulpit. 8

---The pastor at Linz wouldn't allow Kepler to take communion. 9

---While a university student in the late 1500's, Kepler wrote a wild story about demons taking people to the moon so they could watch the earth rotating.10

---Kepler became an assistant to Tycho Brahe, the dean of astronomers at that time, who was a bulwark against the rising Copernican heresy. Brahe died rather suddenly (and conveniently for the Copernican movement) pleading with Kepler not to use his work to further Copernicanism (which plea was ignored, of course).11 (HERE too)

---Etcetera, etcetera.12 (HERE too)

5) Both Protestant and Catholic church leaders remained pretty solidly opposed to Copernicanism for well over a hundred years until Newton's Principia was published in 1687. Then they really began to waffle. Still, there were plenty of holdouts thru the next century and into the 1800's. (The R.C. Index didn't delete Copernicus until 1835.) Scattered books and protests even continued until c.WWI, then virtually died out, and only in recent years have begun to be seen and heard again. Though Newton's book certainly did not prove Copernicanism, it incorporated some new (or stolen from Leibnitz!) abstract mathematics which served that purpose and rapidly gained acceptance at the universities (just like Darwinism later).

6) Mathematics--utterly abstruse and esoteric--now became the primary instrument in the hands of Copernicans. The secular science establishment used this new priesthood of "mathematicians" to soften up the universities first, and then the churches. Thus was the way prepared for the acceptance of some real Bible-bashing by the coming "scientific" substitute for the six-day Creation of man and all else, viz., Darwinism.

Once Satan's counterfeit of God's Truth of an earth-centered geocentric universe gained control of "higher" education, the way was clear to foist his evolutionary counterfeit into the corridors of academia with very little opposition! The real spade work had already been done!

Copernicans Voltaire and Erasmus Darwin (Charles' grandfather) were developing "ape-man" theories in the 1700's. By the time lawyer Sir Charles Lyell came along with his uniformitarian geology in 1830, evolutionary ideas were fermenting and fomenting in many universities, awaiting only Darwin's "natural selection" mechanism to uncork the bottle. Is there anyone anywhere who will not give 100 to 1 odds that the earliest proselytizers of evolutionism were not avowed Copernicans, having just received that great quantum leap in "wisdom" from their grandfathers?? I can find none.

What I do find, is that Philosophers and other intellectuals, all Copernicans (from Descartes, Spinoza, and Leibnitz et al thru Kant and Hegel et al and on to Schopenhauer and later to Nietzsche et al) had established the heliocentric cosmology so solidly over a 300 year period in the universities and publication circles that even the famous scientist von Humboldt was cowed into silence. Just before Darwin's book came out in 1859, Humboldt said: "I have known too for a long time, that we have no arguments for the Copernican system...." Still, fear of "scorn of a thoughtless multitude" prevented him from saying anything. 13

Thus, secure from any credible attack on their Copernican "science" front, the new Darwinian "science" offensive could then link hands with the "established scientific truth" of a rotating, orbiting Earth and forge boldly ahead toward the goal of pushing the Bible completely off stage as a repository of Truth.

In all this, as many of you know, Ernst Haeckel was a powerful force early in the establishment of Darwinism. This biological note about Herr Haeckel succinctly tells what happened and why it happened: "Ernst Haeckel wedded the idea of classical physics [Copernicanism] with the new Darwinian history of nature to form a comprehensive materialist cosmology, or `anti-theology'..."14 (More on Haeckel HERE.)

This "comprehensive materialist cosmology" is what Creationists today are up against and, excepting a handful, they do not know it! Evolutionism does NOT stand alone as a Bible-wrecking, contra-scientific deception, Satanically conceived. Oh no! Evolutionism is historically, philosophically, scientifically, and spiritually WEDDED TO a previously conceived Bible-wrecking, contra-scientific deception called Copernicanism! The Creation "movement" today denies or ignores this wedded union and thus is not 1/50th the threat to Satan's kingdoms in this world that it can and should be.

Fellow Creationists: It's wake-up time!!

And all this is not the half of it!

There was another "ism" that was born out of the Copernican mindset but was floundering until evolutionism began to take hold. That was Communism. As Darwinian evolutionism sank securely into university curriculums (and was soon augmented by evolution-based Freudianism in the Behavioral "sciences"), Marxist Communism took on new life and in a mere generation and a half had conquered Russia. So an officially atheistic state was established which was referred to in the early days as the application of "Scientific Socialism" to government and economics. What was the "scientific" base of this "Socialism" anyway?

Well, most Creationists know by this time that Biological Evolutionism is an indispensable foundational principle of "Scientific Socialism" (which includes not only Communism, but the infinitely more slinky idea of "Humanism"). Most have heard that, after reading Darwin, Marx said: "This is the book which contains the basis in natural history for our view."15 When Marx finished his first volume of Das Kapital he offered to dedicate it to Darwin. Darwin's book had given God "the death blow", he exulted to Lassalle. What he and Engles et al had created out of the anti-Bible secular philosophy made possible by the triumph of Copernicanism in the physical sciences, was now certified by Darwin in the natural sciences! Atheistic Communism was now fully equipped by both the physical and natural sciences to conquer the world with a political and economic system which openly stated that Bible Christianity was moribund at last and would soon be put out of its misery by an enlightened "science"-based movement. Philosopher Nietzsche boasted in the 1880's: "God is dead; we have killed him with our science!"

While knowledgeable Creationists have known about the Communist-Socialist-Humanist dependency upon evolutionism, they have not generally known or thought about the Copernican connection to the same "isms". It is now time to understand this connection! It is now time to understand how Copernicanism PAVED THE WAY for the acceptance of Darwinism, and how Darwinism, in turn supplied the basis for conquest of the Social and Behavioral "sciences" (and the Arts, Mathematics, and Religion). It is time to understand that Communism and Humanism are equally dependent upon that other foundational "scientific" principle that goes hand in glove with evolutionism. That pre-Darwinian evolutionary principle was and is Bible-bashing Copernicanism....

Does someone say they aren't convinced that the very heartbeat of Communist and Humanist ideology is the anti-Bible moving earth concept we call Copernicanism??

Let such a one lend an ear to what a gathering of Communist scientists in London in 1931 were saying. They knew that their system absolutely depended on a conviction that nothing in the universe can be motionless. (If anything could be motionless, then the earth could be as the Bible says, and the game would be over!)

Note these quotes from that formal gathering of Communist "scientists":

---"Modern physics rejects absolute inertia."16

---"Teaching the self-movement of matter received its full development in the dialectical materialism of Marx, Engles, and Lenin."17

---F. Engels established "one of the basic theses of dialectical materialism, i.e., the inseparability of movement from matter...."18

Notice the specialized role of Mathematics in all this....

---"This special mathematics--the tensor analysis, the matrix calculus...has for the greater part been created by the physicists themselves." 19

---"For Mathematics there is only one way out: conscious, planned reconstruction on the basis of materialist dialectics" [i.e., atheist philosophy resting on Copernicanism and Darwinism).20

---"Proceeding from the Leninist theory...we in the Soviet Union shall reconstruct the Mathematical sciences...."21

The fact that the Copernican cosmology underpinning Communism and Humanism is erected totally on phony "reconstructed Mathematics" from Copernicus thru Einstein to NASA's "virtual reality" deceptions (HERE - HERE) is a fact that must be grasped without further delay. All who are really interested in exposing and bringing down the evolution myth must begin: a) To depend on the God behind the geocentric Word; b) Get rid of their fears of "science falsely so-called"; and: c) Get informed and begin to attack the Copernican taproot of these deceptions masquerading as "science".

It's God's Word, after all, and He will not have it return to Him void on this Creation matter indefinitely! (Isaiah 55:11)

But Soviet Communism is finished, someone objects, "so what's the big deal about what their scientists said?"

The problem, Creationist friend, (not to ignore the little matter of the rise of Communist China to Super State Status...) is that Humanism is in place all over the world today and Humanism has exactly the same roots in Copernicanism and Darwinism as Soviet Marxism had!

It's the same Bible destroyer as before, only now--outside China Cuba, N.Vietnam, and N. Korea--wearing a different hat. The whole world is making ready to unite under a Humanist New World Order and usher in a Humanist New Age. The cards are dealt. It's a done deal!

And the real purpose, the hidden agenda, of this incipient (and insidious) cardboard utopia about to descend on all of us??

Simply this:...A one world religion where all beliefs except Bible Christianity will be allowed.... ("Hate Crime" laws (HERE)--now on the books and steadily broadening their scope toward this end--will be the instrument used to criminalize New Testament Christianity in the pantheistic (HERE - HERE) New World Order.)



1 - Ray Ginger, Six Days Or Forever? Oxford U. Press.,p.125.

2 - John Lear, Kepler's Dream. (Full text and notes. U. of CA, Berkeley and Los Angeles, 1965), Footnote, p.7.

3 - Ibid.

4 - Ibid.

5 - Ibid., p.3.

6 - Ibid., pp.31,35.

7 - Ibid., p.34.

8 - Ibid., p.4.

9 - Ibid., p.33.

10 - Ibid., p.5.

11 - Ibid., p.7 (And: Fred Hoyle, Astronomy and Cosmology. W.H. Freeman and Co., San Francisco, 1975, p.416.

12 - Marshall Hall, The Earth Is Not Moving, Fair Education Foundation, Inc., 1991, Cornelia, GA pp.44-63.

13 - C. Schoeppfer, The Earth Stands Fast. (Charles Ludwig, Printer, N.Y., 1900), p.59.

14 - Encyclopedia Britannica, 1976 Ed., Vol.16, Macropedia; p. 380.

15 - J.D. Bernal, Marx and Science, (New York; International Publishers, 1952), p.17.

16 - Dr. Joseph Needham, Fwd., "Marx's Theory on the Historical Process", Science At The Crossroads. (London: Frank Cass and Co., Ltd., 1971), p.189.

17 - Ibid.

18 - Ibid., p.188.

19 - Ibid., pp.215,216.

20 - Ibid., p.225.

21 - Ibid., p.229.